So. we are no longer under the Law of Moses?
I don’t understand how anyone reading Matthew chapter 5 could come to that conclusion. Jesus said that not even the least important part of the law would be done away with until heaven and earth have passed away, so when do heaven and earth pass away?
Any student of the Bible can tell you that present heaven and earth will be replaced at the end of the seventh millennium. As I look out my window, I can see that neither the heavens nor the earth has passed away so I would have to conclude that the Law has not been done away with. If that were not enough, the fact is that if Jesus returns today the law of Moses will be in effect for the next thousand years.
The law of Moses forbade adultery, but Jesus taught that simply looking at a woman with lust is equal to adultery. Jesus not only upheld the Law He reinforced it.
He actually put forth a more stringent standard than Moses.
In another example, we see that He also equated bitterness toward anyone with murder. That doesn’t look much like doing away with the law, does it?
The responsibility to adhere to the Torah is actually greater for the present-day believer than it was for those living in the days of Moses. Many people use Colossians 2:14 as a proof text to support the idea that the Law of Moses and the mandatory observance of the Sabbath and feast days are no longer necessary.
Colossians 2:14 does not teach that the law is done away with as many seem to believe. It teaches that the offenses you and I would have been charged with are blotted out and nailed to the cross – not the law but infractions of it.
Let me say that again. It isn’t the law that is nailed to the cross, but our infractions of the law. However, we must remember that the blotting out of our sins is dependent on our obedience to the Law, among other things. In Matthew chapter 7 Jesus states that many would stand before him in judgment claiming to have been his own people, workers of miracles, enlisted in his cause. His response was to reject them while charging them as workers of iniquity.
The root of the word for “iniquity” is best translated as lawlessness, or to be even more precise – without Torah. Think about it, they were preaching in His name, working miracles convinced that they had been obedient to His desires. But obviously that was not all that God was looking for, not all He required. There was more: adherence to His law.
I know that many people reading that will say, “but all that was just for the Jews!” But if God was so dissatisfied with Israel for the rejection of the promised Messiah that He had chosen to forever reject them as a people and turn to the Gentile nations exclusively, that would have been spelled out in scripture and no doubt in multiple verses. God has NOT rejected the nation of Israel because of their rejection of their Messiah. In fact, their rejection of the Messiah was foretold long before it occurred.
In fact, the Apostle Paul tells us that Israel’s failure to receive the promised Messiah opened the door to the Gentile nations. He further states that we are grafted into Israel just as a branch is grafted into an olive tree. We do not bear the root; the root bears us. As a Gentile people, we are to put away the customs, traditions, and religious systems of our forefathers.
The book of Zechariah teaches that during the millennial reign of Messiah on earth all nations will be responsible for sending representatives to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles annually. It will be a requirement.
Furthermore, the same portion of scripture states that any noncompliant nation will have no rainfall the following year. If this is enforced for one thousand years, following the establishment of the kingdom of Messiah in the earth, does it not stand to reason that all the other prescribed feast days will be observed as well?
Jesus kept the Law, Torah, and you should keep the law as well. Scripture tells us that Jesus, the lamb of God, kept the Passover.
If you are truly not under the Law try this, commit murder or robbery, then call the police. I’m sure they will understand that you are not under the law!
The fact is, all of western law is based in the law of Moses, the Torah.
You are already keeping portions of the Law whether you intend to or not. The problem is there are portions of the Law that are directedly linked to your salvation which you are not keeping.
The best example of this is Passover. Passover is mandatory. It is repeated throughout the Torah that failure to keep the Passover will put you outside of the kingdom of God.
How is it that we celebrate Easter and not Passover? One is prescribed by the word of God and the other is not. In fact, by the biblical standard, it is an abomination. The most detestable act you can commit is to worship a foreign deity and claim you are doing it in honor God that saved you. That is what Easter is.
Some would say “but all that’s just for the Jews.” I would challenge you to find support for that position in the word of God. The fact of the matter is that salvation is of the Jews. All Gentile believers are grafted into Israel and we become part of the existing body of believers. It applies to all of us – ALL OF US.
God did not change His mind after four thousand years of progress. God did not abandon Abraham and his lineage in favor of a people who did not know Him. His intent was to bring Gentiles into the body of Messiah, the Israel of God. We are Rehab and Ruth; these women did not constitute a new system, they joined the Israel of God.
There are not two bodies, just one body built on the Apostles and prophets (the Old and New Testaments), you cannot separate the two. Jesus is the fulfillment of all that was promised in the Law and the prophets. His ministry is not an abrupt change of direction, it is a smooth continuance flowing through Israel and into the Gentile nations. It is like rivers of water flowing into the desert, bringing life to the nations that knew not God.
The Law is the constitution of the people of God. No people can be governed without law. No society can stand without law to protect the weak form the powerful, the just from the wicked. The idea that the Law is of no importance is absurd. No system can sustain itself without law. No system biological, social, political, or spiritual can exist without law.
The keeping of holidays, Holy days, reinforces the belief system of any people. Look at the annual celebrations of any nation and you will discover who their gods truly are. The observances of the nations are built on three primary principles: Greed, sexual perversion, and death, or rather Christmas, Easter, and Halloween in the west.
So why would anyone suppress the teaching of the Law? Simply put, because it would challenge the distorted religious system that has been established in the name of Jesus. It would mean a return to God honoring observances of the prescribed holidays. It would send shock waves through the financial and geopolitical structure of the nations. It would bring down governments and religious systems that hold the minds of men captive. It would collapse the spiritual hierarchy that presently rules this world through the institutions of men.
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You offer an interesting take on Torah observance. I wonder how you would respond to the most recent research that holds that Jesus broke approx. 60% of the applicable Torah laws. If it is true, it would significantly challenge your conclusion. I look forward to your response.
Research Title: “An Artificial Review of Jesus’s Torah Compliance and What That Might Mean for Jews and Gentile Christians”
DOI: https://doi.org/10.3390/laws13030036
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To begin with, the Mishnaic and Talmudic sources are not Torah. Nor is any Oral Torah or Rabbinic additions to the Tanakh.
This is not a difficult question to answer. Judaism is not the faith of Moses. It is a perversion born in the Babylonian captivity. Created by corrupt priests that were exiled by Yehovah for there failure to keep his statutes and laws along with the general population.
I am not an antisemite. I hold no animosity toward the Jewish people but let me be clear Judaism is a religious system foreign to the scriptures of the Old and New Testament.
What Yeshua did was break the man-made demonically inspired traditions of men. He did so in public typically with an accompanying miracle to demonstrate his ability and authority to do so.
I am really rather concerned that AI is being used in conjunction with these non-biblical sources to examine the Messiah. It’s the most blatant confession of spiritual ignorance these people could possibly put forth.
Did Yeshua violate the Torah? Well, if he had he wouldn’t have been able to rise from the dead.
People have made this same ignorant argument for two thousand years. Now we have the new twist of AI. It doesn’t matter how advanced your software is if you feed it with information originally created to support a nonbiblical religious system of course there is going to be a conflict. The entire exercise is based on the validity of information that is not only corrupt, but also was an intentional corruption on the day it was first written.
My other problem is the point of all this, the idea that Yeshua is a false Messiah is put forth rather clearly while the argument is to support that thought is presented in a manner that the average human being can grasp. In you can’t explain something in plain language it usually means someone has something to hide.
What’s really going on here? The Orthodox Rabbinic community is losing their control over the people. People of Hebraic descent are waking up to the fact that Yeshua is indeed their Messiah and the are turning to him in droves.
The truly laughable thing is they are still trying to defend their position using the corrupt writings of their own creation when everybody knows those things have no authority.
Why don’t they use the actual scriptures to defend their position? They can’t, Moses does not agree with them, Isaih doesn’t agree with them.
This is nothing new.
Let’s talk about something else for a moment. What is Judaism? It’s the religion created within the community of the tribe of Judah during the Babylonian captivity. It’s a separate religious system from that delivered by Moses. It is no more scriptural that Mormonism, Catholicism, or the Southern Baptists.
Please, if you have read this far open your Bible and read it for yourself. Learn to pray and get in touch with the author. There will be no end to these pointless arguments. They do not edify, they do not strengthen, they do not profit.
Pastor C.W. Mayberry
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Thanks for the reply and insight!
I agree that Judaism is pluralistic, and some of its permutations are notably different from the form of Judaism that existed with “Moses” or that existed during Jesus’s time. The research makes that clear on pages 1-2 and 8-10.
I do not understand why you believe that Jesus only broke the “man-made . . . traditions of men.” Which of these laws were man-mad and how do you textually determine the difference between which Torah laws were from God and which were not: Sabbath violations (John 5:18; Mark 2:23-26; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 13:10-17; Compare Ex. 20:8, 31:15, 34:21; Deut. 5:14a); Dietary violations (Mark 7:14-15; Compare Deut. 14:11, 19, 21; 12:23; Lev. 11:4, 11, 13, 21, 41-44, 46); Leprosy law violations (Matthew 8:2-4; Compare Lev. 14:5); Ritual Im/Purity (Luke 8:49-56; Compare Num. 19:11-16; Num. 19:19-22); dishonoring parent(s) (Matthew 10:34-36; 12:46-50; Luke 14:26, Compare Exodus 20:12); not preventing or rebuking his disciples from breaking the Torah (Mark 2:23-26); verbally wronging or shaming a fellow Jew (Luke 11:45, Matthew 23:13-39; Compare Lev. 19:17, 25:17); equating himself to God (John 5:18 Compare Ex. 20:3); adding or taking away from the commandments (Matthew 5:32, Luke 6:27-31; Compare Deut. 13:1).
Also, you either did not read the research carefully or did not understand what type and how AI was used in this research. The AI only considered the Written and Oral Torah’s and Gospels’ texts. This reflects no ignorance on anyone’s part. How did you arrive at that conclusion?
Next, your conclusion that the non-biblical text leads to non-biblical answers is correct in theory; however, the Written Torah, which the research used, is biblical. This brings us back to how you determine which of the 613 commandments within the Torah are from God and which are manufactured. Please advise.
I think you may have read a different paper because nothing within the article “put[s] forth” “the idea that Yeshua is a false Messiah.” It never uses the word Messiah or discusses Messianic prophecies or qualifications. Also, I am unsure what makes you think the article was not written or explained in “plain language.” Admittedly, it is an academic paper published in an international double-blind peer-reviewed law journal. This suggests that one may need to look up a few words or concepts, but the English is plain enough. Ergo, there is nothing to hide or is hidden.
Also, what makes you think that this is the product of the Orthodox Rabbinic community? Once again, I am afraid you read the wrong article or did not read it close enough.
The article does use the Written Torah quite a bit. Did you not read that?
The argument has a beneficial point. I also think that perhaps because it offers concrete, non-biased textual evidence that goes against what we’ve been taught in Christianity, you glanced at the article, did not fully engage with it, and now consider it pointless.
As Christians, we ought to give it a fair chance and be willing to challenge our own beliefs. Nothing in the article suggests that Jesus is not Lord. Why not meaningfully engage with it (1 Peter 3:15; Colossians 4:6)?
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Dear Sir,
I have answered all theses accusations many times.
It’s is not dishonoring to tell your parents the truth and to subsequently separate your self from them if necessary.
It is not a fellow human being to tell them the truth regardless of their status in society.
Why are you so hung up on the use of the word ” JEW ” Judah is on tribe among twelve. Judaism is a non biblical religious system.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Other than being the linage through which Messiah would come thereby supplying an heir to the throne of David the ” JEWS ” have no special place among the tribes of Israel.
The Rabbis then and now created a place for themselves then and now.
They typically use it to serve themselves today as they did in the first century.
Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will
not move them with one of their fingers.
These men were evil. They used the Torah to create a control mechanism. It was meant to give and preserve liberty.
The study never uses the word Messiah?
The entire study is a question of Yeshua’s position as Messiah.
That is the point of these questions then and now.
It is not a violation of Torah to feed your self on the Sabbath or to heal on the Sabbath.
All of the objections the Pharisees had were written in there own writings, the Talmud ect.
Jesus made himself equal to God!
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
I could go on but the fact is that Yeshua is Yehovah incarcerate.
Every supposed violation of the Torah is in error.
The Pharisees created thousands of additional laws. Jesus broke the intentionally, in public, with the scribes and Pharisees present. He did so to demonstrate both his ability and authority to do so. This is why they wanted to kill him.
Jesus never violated the Torah.
Pastor C.W. Mayberry
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